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welcome to season one of the hidden

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truth show in season one we do a deep

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dive into the Las Vegas shooting it's

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been over nine months since the shooting

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and we still don't know why he did what

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he did whether he acted alone was

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terrorism involved we're still waiting

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for the FBI's report in the course of

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our investigation we stumbled upon his

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brother Bruce we landed the only

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interview with Bruce Patek brother of

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the shooter we've learned through the

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course of our investigation that the

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paddock family is a fascinating family

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we interviewed a friend of the father

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the father was a psychopath conman bank

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robber who wound up on the FBI's most

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wanted list he left the family when the

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children were young there are four kids

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Stephen the oldest the shooter second

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oldest was Eric who you may have seen

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his interview that he did in front of

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his home a bizarre and rambling

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interview the day after the shooting we

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cover it on the podcast and played the

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interview for you in its entirety then

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there's Bruce who has his own criminal

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past and in fact was chasing facing

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child pornography charges at the time

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that we found him and interviewed him he

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has since beaten those charges and then

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there's Patrick who works for the

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government Arizona and has laid low

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Bruce tells a fascinating story about

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when the four of them were called to

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their mother's house and she told them

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for the first time that their father was

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alive until that time she had led them

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all to believe that their father was

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dead Bruce tells that story and how he

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and his brother hopped in a car for a

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road trip up to Oregon to go see their

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father for the first time what happened

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will shock you you need to watch this

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video of our interview with Bruce if you

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enjoy the interview I highly suggest

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that you check out the hidden truth show

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podcast

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Las Vegas shooter I started my interview

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with Bruce by having him

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tell us what it felt like to learn for

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the first time what his brother had done

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okay so tell me what do you remember you

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saw it on television it's him

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yeah woke up at two o'clock in the

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morning from my for my two o'clock

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medicine and I saw that you know the CNN

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and every channel had this shooting and

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I looked again and they said Stefan

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paddock I said why so I called my mom

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and my mom answered the phone and I said

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is that Steve and she said I guess oh

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and I asked was he sick like me she

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didn't want to talk about it see most

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this interviews not going to go very

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well and I don't expect a whole lot of

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this to be aired because of my my

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feeling for other people you know I care

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I care more about the people that were

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hurt and what it's gotta be like to sit

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on the wrong end of a gun why they sell

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these weapons so what did she say as far

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as when you asked her whether he was

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sick she didn't want to talk about so I

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hung up and I saw that he'd killed a

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whole bunch of people and I realized

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that being sick like me would make you

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want to kill a bunch of people or even

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shoot at him so you think you kind of

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understand what was going on in his head

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that I do yeah yeah I have to presume

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what happened

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was uh was paid in the loss of a lot of

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things the loss of the ability to

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control everything because he was always

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the controlling brother seven years

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older than us and raised us took care of

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us he was the father and he was always

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mom's best choice he had the the bright

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red Volkswagen all the neighbors wanted

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and he was always in school so he was

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the good kid I guess yeah he was the one

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always punishing us for being the bad

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ones I don't know if that makes him the

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good one or not but we never got

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it was always Steve or a combination of

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Steve and Pat he said he was controlling

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what do you know about his controlling

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nature his dream his dream to have

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everything money-wise objects he always

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had to have you know looking up at the

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crystal on the counter tops going yeah

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oh that's mine with the inheritance and

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when she passes away everything's mind

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his mind that the whole world was his he

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I mean he went out and earned it what he

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he had his first apartment building I

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think he was still working for the IRS

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and had his first apartment North

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Hollywood bought the building took out

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the central water system and put in

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heater water heaters in every apartment

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how was he able to afford that building

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did he have help yeah he's always had my

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mom and she had her money from where my

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father's always worked for a living she

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worked for Semco scientific engineering

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but as a secretary right yeah well she

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was a partner ended up being a partner I

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ended up taking a bunch of the stock oh

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so she made some significant money from

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that she's always had money you know she

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was the one that bought the Volkswagen

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she bought my first car she's always

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taking care of us and what about from

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your father did you guys receive any

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money from the father how could we

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receive money from him he was in prison

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well but then he came out and became

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bingo Bruce what was that after we were

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all 21 uh-huh so so basically there was

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no business ventures with your father

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any of you guys Steve and Pat never met

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my father it was just me and Eric that

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went up to Oregon and met him well

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Steven you mean since you're a child

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because I think wasn't even like seven

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when you went to jail something like

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that I was like - yeah log - so hard for

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me to comment on something like that

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so you have no memory from him as a

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child Steven you think may or may not

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have had some memory he never he never

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mentioned it to me

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we were raised believing he was dead and

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then we never talked about him

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and then about how did you find out

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where he was one day my mom called me I

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was at my girlfriend's house in Granada

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Hills and she called me from his Sun

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Valley Alison told me that I had to come

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over and I told her I didn't want to and

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she told me you got to come over and she

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started crying so I went over there and

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she decided she'd spring that on us

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because he I guess was leaning on her

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that he was gonna spring it on us so she

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thought she would tell us she'd lied to

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us our whole lives

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so she had told you that he had passed

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away yeah you know strange things

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happened with her boyfriend from Sam

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code the owner telling us you know that

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he was gonna start hair plugs

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for men a hair factory because but I

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said why would you do that he said well

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you're gonna be bald like your father I

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said how do you know my father she

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slipped up and he said well he'd seen

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pictures and there was always that thing

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in my mind because I was raised being

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told you're just like your father and as

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a child you think that's a good thing

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but as you realize doing a voice it's

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what do you what do you think she meant

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by just like your father because every

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time I got into trouble I was just like

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my father

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did you guys have any father figure

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growing up at any stepfathers or she had

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boyfriends or anything no Sam from Samko

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was the only boyfriend we ever had and

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that was just he'd come over once in a

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while and brush his teeth with a

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washcloth in the sink that's all I

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remember with a washcloth yeah well in

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the morning he'd be I guess he didn't

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have a toothbrush in there so yeah

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whatever

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what was Semco by the way what kinds

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ient if ik engineering manufacturing

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corporation what did they'd make

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thermocouples for aircrafts oh wow

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so there's a significant business yeah I

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would presume so I was pretty young so

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so he's paid the bills he was the one

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that tipped you off that your father was

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alive no he didn't tip me off that he

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was alive he tipped me off did there

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were pictures of him that we never that

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I realized then that there were no

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pictures or anything of him in the house

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or knitting into pictures there was a

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picture of a red Corvette I think was as

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far as I knew anything about my father

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and okay so how did you track him down I

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didn't my mom told me that he was alive

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and that he was living in Oregon and

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that he wanted to talk to us and I said

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well you got my phone number you got to

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tell me what was it like to learn that

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your father was alive when you thought

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all this time then he was dead it was a

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good thoughts or bad thoughts well it's

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not very good with you find out your

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so you're obviously upset with her but

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on the other hand I didn't talk to her

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for 25 years

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oh wow because of that answers that yeah

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don't know if it said that I decided I

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wanted to meet him or I wanted him to

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meet me I think it's more I wanted him

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to meet me I don't want to meet people I

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want them to know who I am and how old

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were you at the time 21 okay so who

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found his well he had reached out

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apparently wanting to meet you guys

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yeah and Steven wasn't interested in

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meeting him no Steven Pat we're all on

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their own on their own

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I mean Pat I think was in the Air Force

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then and Steve was many years older he

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was all you know he walked out of the

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house we all walked down to the house

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there was nothing to discuss she told

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all four of you at the same time yes she

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got herself together I was gone from the

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family at that time I don't live in my

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own life she had like I said she had to

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twist my arm

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do you member Stevens reaction was I've

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always been I lived in the garage I've

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been a mechanic my whole life I was more

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interested in picking stuff out of

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people's trash and taking it apart to

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figure out how it worked so you and Erik

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go up to Oregon right to meet him yeah

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we took my dually up there

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you took quite up there my dually oh

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that's a car by truck okay I don't know

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a dually dude leads like a truck with

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dual rear tires Wow so that must have

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been some trip you and your brother

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driving up from LA up to Oregon knowing

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you're about to meet your father for the

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first time yeah more the scenic venture

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it didn't last it sounds like a movie

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right what do you mean it didn't last

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hung out a day or so and

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he ran his mouth about being an outlaw

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to show me pictures and this and out of

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his life and I wanted nothing to do with

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it did you there's all these things that

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he's apparently claimed that he had been

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a Dixieland band singer a pilot and auto

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racing crew chief a member of the

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Chicago Bears survivor the world war two

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minesweeping a wrestler named crybaby

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who traveled with gorgeous George I've

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never heard no that I heard he was a

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three-time loser so he didn't well what

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did he when you first met him was he at

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the bingo hall no Trey oh no we met him

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he came in medicine one of the

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interchanges from Iowa Highway five to

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the to the road that went off to his

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house I believe in Springfield I don't

281
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remember what interstate or what highway

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it was and like a coffee shop no I just

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did a corner that's on a dirt lot on the

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corner of the highway the first time you

285
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meet him was by the side of the road

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basically correct do you remember why

287
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that was the arrangement you didn't have

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Google Maps and I'm not in the map books

289
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and all right I told him that you know I

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called them 12 from the side of the road

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we didn't have cell phone so I called

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him from the side of the road and told

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him where we were and he said it's gonna

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take so until him out of time I'll meet

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you on the corner here and you follow us

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in so Jane explained to you why he was

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not in your lives I didn't need to

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explain anything I had already had my

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mind made up on who he was I didn't go

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up there for money

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I work for GM I had everything I wanted

302
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I worked 12 14 hours a day and made

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money that nobody else had being a

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mechanic and

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doing what I wanted to do so what did

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you say to him I mean were you letting

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out anger toward him no there was no

308
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hostility it's just listening to him

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talk taking in as much of it as you can

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as you can swallow and pretty much

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walking away from it and what kind of

312
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things was he saying like I said the

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getting out

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I don't know pictures photo albums or

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whatever yet I didn't even really look

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at him I was drinking a beer sitting on

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the chair in the living room and I think

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Eric might have looked at him and he had

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made some comment that he wasn't a

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criminal he was an outline that was

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pretty much all I needed no remorse for

322
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what he did or not raising the family

323
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going and holding up a bag for a few

324
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thousand dollars to go to Vegas and have

325
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a good time it's not a whole lot to say

326
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to something like that so the no tears

327
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shed on your side no and what about his

328
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side well he wasn't happy when I tore

329
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his house up what happened there he got

330
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into the bingo parlor or something and

331
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the phone rang my girlfriend grinnell

332
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has left a message on his machine that

333
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so and so and this happened or that

334
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happened I had never known they were

335
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talking you know except for when he came

336
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they had talked a little bit and I guess

337
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they'd made some decision to buy some

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stuffed animals or something off a

339
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container who had talked Rennell this

340
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girl I was living with and she had

341
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taught I had talked with who was my

342
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father what name was he using when you

343
00:18:10,430 --> 00:18:08,040
met him was using Benjamin Bruce

344
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Erickson Bruce Harrison so you guys had

345
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the same name at that time no there's

346
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only one Bruce there you go so name's

347
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Benjamin Hoskins paddock that's how I do

348
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it

349
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your dad that's part of the story we're

350
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gonna leave out okay but he came down

351
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here because some things had happened in

352
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my life and after we had met he came

353
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down here we met like three times the

354
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first time was when I went up there the

355
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second times when he came down here and

356
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then the third time I ended up up there

357
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again because some things that happened

358
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in my life and she had contacted him or

359
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he had contacted her and they reached

360
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out and instead of telling me what they

361
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were doing they were playing games the

362
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phone rang it was her on the phone left

363
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a message I tore up his place and went

364
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over to a girl I was seeing in her Nora

365
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good gotcha so that was that was the

366
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third time that you saw him yeah he he

367
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showed up at her house pissed off and

368
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you can imagine just by talking to me

369
00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:35,280
for two minutes I don't take anybody

370
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getting in my face it takes about a

371
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second did you guys get physical with

372
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each other no people don't make that

373
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mistake was he pretty was he a big guy

374
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strong guy yeah it was pretty big we'd

375
00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:52,160
like 336 pounds Wow

376
00:19:56,690 --> 00:19:55,410
that that doesn't make you strong so but

377
00:19:59,740 --> 00:19:56,700
he was kind of trying to get back

378
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involved in your life it sounds like

379
00:20:07,549 --> 00:20:03,059
yeah I think he he wanted me to get

380
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involved in his life because of my

381
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background and being able to fix

382
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anything I touch or investigate how to

383
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do it did people are always reaching out

384
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for that ability mm-hmm he had bingo

385
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:27,929
parlors and open up more and wanted

386
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exhaust fans and all kinds of stuff set

387
00:20:33,740 --> 00:20:32,159
up to run these businesses instead of

388
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going out and paying somebody to do it

389
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:35,490
he would reach out and try to get me to

390
00:20:40,610 --> 00:20:37,970
do it but so did you do some for him I

391
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hung out a few days there but like I

392
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said this time with my father wasn't

393
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something I was looking forward to doing

394
00:20:54,350 --> 00:20:48,750
and it's more of I had some problems

395
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down here I needed to get away and I've

396
00:20:57,919 --> 00:20:56,909
always made bad decisions going up there

397
00:21:01,369 --> 00:20:57,929
wasn't a good one

398
00:21:03,259 --> 00:21:01,379
so that third time that you saw him was

399
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was that the last time that was a final

400
00:21:07,009 --> 00:21:05,220
straw yeah you know there was no

401
00:21:10,810 --> 00:21:07,019
conversation after he came over to the

402
00:21:14,029 --> 00:21:10,820
girl's house I was staying with up there

403
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what did he do there he came to the door

404
00:21:16,879 --> 00:21:15,480
knocked on the door and wanted to know

405
00:21:19,369 --> 00:21:16,889
what happened and I told him what

406
00:21:24,409 --> 00:21:19,379
happened and he turned around and walked

407
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:24,419
away he wanted to know why his house was

408
00:21:31,820 --> 00:21:29,490
all torn up and I told you're pissed off

409
00:21:33,769 --> 00:21:31,830
with him communicating with your

410
00:21:37,070 --> 00:21:33,779
girlfriend lured my ex-girlfriend or

411
00:21:42,889 --> 00:21:37,080
whatever you want to call her right I'm

412
00:21:46,220 --> 00:21:42,899
gonna play games so after that no more

413
00:21:53,629 --> 00:21:46,230
communication with him I heard from Pat

414
00:21:55,759 --> 00:21:53,639
that Pat went and buried him in Texas do

415
00:21:58,580 --> 00:21:55,769
you know where he went after Oregon no I

416
00:22:01,100 --> 00:21:58,590
heard he went to Mexico but it's just

417
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:01,110
people's talking he had a girlfriend up

418
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:03,360
there right yeah she's the one who

419
00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:04,770
turned him in I guess

420
00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:08,130
that's what he told me when he was on

421
00:22:14,419 --> 00:22:10,740
FBI's most wanted yeah well he was

422
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:14,429
living up there using my name

423
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:21,330
I presume because it's a great name my

424
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:23,690
favorite performer is name that

425
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:27,200
Springsteen yeah of course

426
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:31,679
I'll stick with Ozzy more your speed huh

427
00:22:37,460 --> 00:22:35,760
generals gathered in their masses so so

428
00:22:41,090 --> 00:22:37,470
what's as far as you know Stephen had no

429
00:22:42,740 --> 00:22:41,100
communication well Steve had no

430
00:22:45,740 --> 00:22:42,750
communication with really any other

431
00:22:47,299 --> 00:22:45,750
sector so you were talking about the the

432
00:22:49,279 --> 00:22:47,309
money that he made and buying the

433
00:22:53,659 --> 00:22:49,289
apartment building he had help from his

434
00:22:56,539 --> 00:22:53,669
mom no help from dad obviously my help

435
00:23:00,139 --> 00:22:56,549
from the IRS he worked for the r-right

436
00:23:02,210 --> 00:23:00,149
right but how about as far as you know

437
00:23:04,190 --> 00:23:02,220
was also his business aboveboard and

438
00:23:09,639 --> 00:23:04,200
legal do you think that he engaged in

439
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:09,649
any illegal activity speculation yeah

440
00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:15,090
what would you speculate ask you've been

441
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:19,049
in court before watch a lot of Judge

442
00:23:27,289 --> 00:23:24,720
Judy plug for judge gee well at some

443
00:23:33,289 --> 00:23:27,299
point he got into business with Eric

444
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:33,299
right who your brother Stephen no well

445
00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:34,770
when Eric was interviewed in front of

446
00:23:39,950 --> 00:23:37,110
his house he basically says that Bruce

447
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,960
helped I sorry Bruce Steven helped make

448
00:23:43,820 --> 00:23:42,480
him a wealthy man it sound like they

449
00:23:45,470 --> 00:23:43,830
went into some business ventures doesn't

450
00:23:47,419 --> 00:23:45,480
sound too wealthy to me if he's running

451
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:47,429
his mouth like that you know what did

452
00:23:54,169 --> 00:23:50,490
you think of his interview I'd have

453
00:23:56,330 --> 00:23:54,179
killed him if I was there was it was

454
00:23:59,120 --> 00:23:56,340
your mom upset with that interview my

455
00:24:01,250 --> 00:23:59,130
mom doesn't listen to any of it she has

456
00:24:03,470 --> 00:24:01,260
no idea what's going on she's locked in

457
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:03,480
her house scared to death and she's

458
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:07,970
about 90 could be how is her health

459
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:11,730
considering she's 90 I talked to her so

460
00:24:18,410 --> 00:24:15,330
she's still talking yeah and she's 100%

461
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:18,420
there mentally yeah sounds like she's 20

462
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:21,570
Wow at least mentally it was last time

463
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,560
so is she you know they've been Temecula

464
00:24:32,450 --> 00:24:29,760
is she an assisted living now no she

465
00:24:35,150 --> 00:24:32,460
lives in a house supposedly somewhere in

466
00:24:36,830 --> 00:24:35,160
the gated community and Eric must live

467
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:36,840
there too because he takes care of it

468
00:24:41,180 --> 00:24:38,720
uh-huh

469
00:24:42,650 --> 00:24:41,190
that's what I understand he takes her to

470
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,660
the doctor I don't know

471
00:24:47,090 --> 00:24:45,120
so other than that one conversation he

472
00:24:50,110 --> 00:24:47,100
had with her that night about the

473
00:24:52,820 --> 00:24:50,120
shooting the subject come up with her

474
00:24:55,340 --> 00:24:52,830
since no she hangs up if you talk about

475
00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:55,350
it well there will be no communication

476
00:25:00,490 --> 00:24:58,170
about that at all you could even tell

477
00:25:05,270 --> 00:25:00,500
her that I wanted to talk to you guys

478
00:25:12,290 --> 00:25:05,280
then reach out convey my sincerest

479
00:25:17,150 --> 00:25:12,300
condolences to the people that families

480
00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:17,160
were destroyed by what he did and we've

481
00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:18,900
spoken to many of them and I think that

482
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,030
they will genuinely appreciate what you

483
00:25:25,790 --> 00:25:23,760
said you know yeah and we know that

484
00:25:27,170 --> 00:25:25,800
they're all searching for answers and

485
00:25:31,010 --> 00:25:27,180
looking for closure and they've told us

486
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,020
that finding out why this happened is

487
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:33,600
important to them to get closure I mean

488
00:25:45,380 --> 00:25:41,690
but like Phil and I talked about guns

489
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:45,390
are a tool when you sell tools at Home

490
00:25:53,450 --> 00:25:48,690
Depot people use that hammer to hammer

491
00:25:56,740 --> 00:25:53,460
nails you sell somebody a gun it's a

492
00:26:02,840 --> 00:25:59,390
he had a long-standing love of guns as

493
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:02,850
far as you know I presume so I mean how

494
00:26:07,610 --> 00:26:05,010
many people can buy guns like that oh

495
00:26:09,620 --> 00:26:07,620
you had plenty of money you know anybody

496
00:26:11,150 --> 00:26:09,630
that I don't I never get plenty of money

497
00:26:14,030 --> 00:26:11,160
and buying guns like that

498
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:14,040
do not run parallel why somebody would

499
00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:15,600
say something like that why would you

500
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:17,400
even think something like that but I'd

501
00:26:22,010 --> 00:26:19,770
say people with plenty of money go out

502
00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:22,020
and help other people they don't go out

503
00:26:26,810 --> 00:26:23,940
and buy guns you know people with

504
00:26:29,090 --> 00:26:26,820
billions of dollars Bill Gates

505
00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:29,100
people with Oprah they go out and help

506
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:31,380
other people they don't go out and buy

507
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:34,410
guns and put them in their closet help

508
00:26:41,150 --> 00:26:36,710
themselves

509
00:26:42,740 --> 00:26:41,160
money's a disease guns are a tool when

510
00:26:47,150 --> 00:26:42,750
you put that disease in that tool

511
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,160
together we pretty much see what happens

512
00:26:53,630 --> 00:26:49,200
why do you think all these kids now are

513
00:26:57,370 --> 00:26:53,640
standing up against the system because

514
00:27:00,080 --> 00:26:57,380
the system's not standing up for them

515
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:00,090
why would you allow people to buy

516
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:05,250
weapons why in this society you know

517
00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:08,130
because it's Nevada we don't let people

518
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:10,110
buy weapons here when I was a kid

519
00:27:13,550 --> 00:27:11,730
growing up there was a gun store on

520
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:13,560
every corner you know why there's not

521
00:27:21,860 --> 00:27:16,080
anymore because every gun that was sold

522
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:21,870
killed somebody how many guns do you own

523
00:27:25,940 --> 00:27:23,010
zero

524
00:27:29,660 --> 00:27:25,950
I see where I'm going with this the

525
00:27:31,490 --> 00:27:29,670
microphone is your tool you need to use

526
00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:31,500
the microphone to put an end to these

527
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,270
fools that are allowing people to buy

528
00:27:37,370 --> 00:27:35,520
those weapons but what does Steven need

529
00:27:39,410 --> 00:27:37,380
the tool of guns for he seem to have

530
00:27:42,370 --> 00:27:39,420
plenty of money and and everything else

531
00:27:45,950 --> 00:27:42,380
because he didn't have anything else

532
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:45,960
why do people do stupid things because

533
00:27:52,030 --> 00:27:49,050
they don't have the right thing to do he

534
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:52,040
was off on his own he lived his own life

535
00:28:00,560 --> 00:27:56,250
sure he had money that money ran out you

536
00:28:02,390 --> 00:28:00,570
can only put so much money in Vegas no

537
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:02,400
matter how good at pushing a pencil you

538
00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:06,530
are sooner or later Vegas is gonna win

539
00:28:12,260 --> 00:28:09,710
the odds are against you

540
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:12,270
you're supposed to go there have a good

541
00:28:16,730 --> 00:28:14,370
time with a couple hundred dollars and

542
00:28:20,390 --> 00:28:16,740
go home you're not supposed to go there

543
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every weekend in your airplane and spend

544
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all the money that that you're making

545
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especially when you have a partner in

546
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this business venture meaning is your

547
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mother look at it any way you want to

548
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we're gonna keep her out of it yeah okay

549
00:28:43,670 --> 00:28:40,050
yeah she did what she could she raised

550
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four boys on her own back and did the

551
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right thing we all stepped out of the

552
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boundaries probably because our DNA came

553
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from somebody that stepped out of the

554
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boundaries she probably hates herself

555
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for that she's a girl she made mistakes

556
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she made it better by working hard and

557
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raising the four boys to the best of her

558
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:13,020
ability you can't put anything on her he

559
00:29:17,980 --> 00:29:15,360
went out and did what he did over

560
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hookers and coke

561
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there's only so much of that you can put

562
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up with in your life no I had my

563
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girlfriends when I was younger I did

564
00:29:32,510 --> 00:29:28,650
what I wanted to do he just realized

565
00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:32,520
it's a little too old I mean we can't

566
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even go into that do you ever interview

567
00:29:48,490 --> 00:29:39,870
her who his girlfriend

568
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:54,460
kid even she heard him he heard her

569
00:30:03,340 --> 00:29:57,170
pretty much the game in life is it you

570
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to hear the rest of the interview go to

571
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the hidden truth show podcast in the

572
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second half of the interview you're

573
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gonna hear Bruce give his opinion as

574
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only a brother can as to what was going

575
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:18,240
on in the head of Stephen when he did

576
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what he did

577
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you're not gonna believe his explanation

578
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579
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